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Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1115	Posted - 2017.03.30 03:32:41 - [1] - Quote Sorry I'm late 1-Miner calm down 2-EVE is a game about spaceships shooting spaceships 3-I love Ralph (no homo... okay maybe a little) 4-HTFU 5-??? 6-Profit?! P.s. i didn't bother reading the last oh-so-many pages because it's always the same... literally (except those **** in the wind ones, you gotta pee with it, not against it Ralph ) Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1119	Posted - 2017.03.30 12:39:01 - [2] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Leave the legit fresh noobs alone. Sure you can gank them, and harvest tears, but really? I'd rather gank a legit newbro and point him towards some pvp group than let him burn out on mining lmao I've seen more people quit because of mining than people quitting over getting ganked or because of pvp.. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1119	Posted - 2017.03.30 12:54:29 - [3] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Leave the legit fresh noobs alone. Sure you can gank them, and harvest tears, but really? I'd rather gank a legit newbro and point him towards some pvp group than let him burn out on mining lmao I've seen more people quit because of mining than people quitting over getting ganked or because of pvp.. Yeah, I understand. But atleast reimburse his loss after teaching him that lesson. Its peanuts to us, but a fortune to them. Mining too is necessary in EVE and some truly do want to do it. You can point him to a PvP corp as well, and he will probably begin to understand the difference between predator and prey in EVE. You should take some time to know me ;) I mean yeah, I'm in TCE, but I'm known by many to be that one ******* that doesn't mind helping newbros (that they get permits or not, as long as they don't have a cancer attitude towards me) We all started as noobs, and I remember I had no one to really play with or someone to teach me stuff, so I try to compensate by doing just that :) Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1119	Posted - 2017.03.30 13:30:47 - [4] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Many pirates are ex-miners. Why do you think? And before you ask, no I don't mine... I'd rather punch myself in the balls repeatedly until they're numb or non-existent than to subject myself to that lmao Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1119	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:01:36 - [5] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Thanks guys, that happened in 2011. Lost a T2 / Faction fit T3 Loki Cruiser and pod with full set of +5 attribute implants and full set of 5% hardwiring implants for various ship needs. Total cost to replace ship, equipment and implants was 2.3 bill which was easily replaced within 24 hrs. The main thing that bummed me out was it took 4 days to retrain the lost skill level on Loki sub-system. Man How bad does one need to be to get podded? also that 2.3b loss is pretty damn cheap lol Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1119	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:08:14 - [6] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Thanks guys, that happened in 2011. Lost a T2 / Faction fit T3 Loki Cruiser and pod with full set of +5 attribute implants and full set of 5% hardwiring implants for various ship needs. Total cost to replace ship, equipment and implants was 2.3 bill which was easily replaced within 24 hrs. The main thing that bummed me out was it took 4 days to retrain the lost skill level on Loki sub-system. I can feel with you. I once lost a Catalyst, it was a very traumatic experience. I can still remember it, it was in 2014 Sure. But did you cash in 3bil by selling false rage logs thereafter? Cmon, you gotta o7 that. I once ganked a guy and he got so mad, he triggered the fake killright on my scout 18 times before he ran out of money and noticed that he basically paid 500mil ISK every time to my other alt. I mean that takes 5h, 15min for every suspect flag And...? You want a o7 for that, though you wouldnt give one to DMC for his 3bil on a false rage log? Wtf, lady. I want proof of that 3b fake rage log Knowing antigankers, it's probably another lie Oh and Draccie, it's easy to tell when you're out of arguments... you start getting all hot and bothered Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1119	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:27:08 - [7] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Knowing antigankers, it's probably another lie Plz... Pot meet kettle. Hahahaha Stop judging a book by it's cover I've spent enough time in the AG channels to know I'm right Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1120	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:31:09 - [8] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The Ironic thing is that EVE was a more popular game when it was measurably harsher (like when gankers got insurance payouts for ganking Gankers got insurance payout! FREE MONEY! How is that harsher? :D Jenn, please. LOL anything killed by CONCORD has no insurance payout.. Please learn game mechanics before making assumptions Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1120	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:35:44 - [9] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The Ironic thing is that EVE was a more popular game when it was measurably harsher (like when gankers got insurance payouts for ganking Gankers got insurance payout! FREE MONEY! How is that harsher? :D Jenn, please. LOL anything killed by CONCORD has no insurance payout.. Please learn game mechanics before making assumptions She was talking about before. Read, bro. 1- I'm not your "bro" 2- I was editing 3- Miner, calm down Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1120	Posted - 2017.03.30 15:40:25 - [10] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: 1- I'm not your "bro" 2- I was editing 3- Miner, calm down 1) :( 2) You where editing cos you fked up. 3) Im not a miner. Im legit CODE Special Agent (see my sig) Yeah right And I'm a goon... Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist

Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1126	Posted - 2017.03.31 02:32:45 - [11] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: this thread makes me want to face desk myself into a concussion. thers no reason for this to be 18 pages lads, go shoot something. I remember seeing this thread about 15 times this year already -same arguments -same lack of facts -same people that get blamed -same mechanics being misunderstood -same e... I'm out lol drops mic Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1130	Posted - 2017.03.31 14:13:04 - [12] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Galaxy Pig wrote: Dracvlad wrote: ...I don't use freighters so it is not an issue for me... You guys heard it here first, folks! Freighter ganking is not an issue for Drac, despite the fact that he cries about it at great length, at every opportunity, to anyone who will listen. Other things that don't bother Dracvlad in the slightest: Wreck HP buffs Wreck EHP buffs, only due to the fact that it completely destroyed emergent gameplay, which I seem to recall that players like you moan about all the time in terms of any nerf to ganking. Which is why I call you hypocrites... As for the freighter comment, it no longer personally affects me as I have given up on a T1 freighter completely, just as I gave up on mining ships when all of them had the tank of a wet paper bag. Simple fact is that people who play this game need to walk away from ships or activities that give easy rich kills to tear and kill farmers. But thankfully for you there are enough stupid useless players to farm ad nauseum, or is there...? o7 Mr Pig EDIT: Back to the emergent gameplay, my biggest regret during the brief time that AG was able to operate on an equal footing to the gankers was that I did not record Loyal ranting like a complete madman after Herzog's wreck ganker had blown up an especially rich wreck, I have started to laugh at the memory of it, even better still is that you have no idea who my spy account is. I often think that his deranged attack on a tragic event that cost him was due to the build up of rage from that short period of defeat. For me it was a grand period of emergent gameplay. o7... Do you want to keep mentioning it? Drac We both know kills are necessary Otherwise the market will stagnate And if the market stagnates, it wouldn't be good for anyone tbh Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1131	Posted - 2017.04.01 02:08:46 - [13] - Quote Apparently I'm going to put this wherever carebears cry :D Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1133	Posted - 2017.04.01 20:10:12 - [14] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: highsec is best for casual play EVE is not for casuals it never was, it never will All spaces but highsec had some major changes since I started this toon, I guess it's time for a rework cough" cough* crimewatch cough cough Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1138	Posted - 2017.04.03 00:58:47 - [15] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Aaron wrote: I think it's time to get real. A player can take the time to learn about ganking and all the variables that affect it such as hostile fleet size, EHP....and so on. Plain and simple, you will be targeted if you have freight value of over 1 billion. If you keep the value below 1 billion isk then you won't even have to consider all the variables of a gank situation. Form some kind of group where you can contact freight pilots to relay this message. The ones that don't listen or bother to investigate anything will be punished because the mechanics are purposely set that way. This is a clear description of the environment we are in and it has been programmed this way to make us think more about our actions within the game, it prompts us to think things like having an escort to rep our armour for example we can rep until the hostile fleet is concorded. Stop acting as if there are no counters to freight ganking when there blatantly are. This is garbage. It was not programmed this way. When freighters came out you needed at least 30 battleships now you only need 12 stealth bombers. When freighters came out there were no tags, you had to grind sec back which was very time consuming. When freighters came out you couldn't do (at the time battleship damage) with cheap frigates. Bitches will whine that battleships insurance meant using battleships was cheaper but no, even with full insurance you still lost the value of platinum insurance. 30 plat insurances for tier 3 battleships was around the cost of 60 stealth bombers. Then you factor in the massive jump in isk generation today vs then. It was never programmed this way, this is all about mudflation and powercreep turning ganking into the easiest form of PvP with the smallest cost (apart from frig v frig) with the least risk and significant payoff. Its out of wack with the rest of EvE. EvE WoW, EvE Light or whatever. stop living in the past lmao... Quote: To infinity... And beyond!! Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1138	Posted - 2017.04.03 01:23:55 - [16] - Quote your first retort is claiming I got brain damage from whatever? Jee brb going to biomass as I can't handle forum pvp /s Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1138	Posted - 2017.04.03 01:28:43 - [17] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: your first retort is claiming I got brain damage from whatever? Jee brb going to biomass as I can't handle forum pvp /s Tough galaxy aye? F Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1140	Posted - 2017.04.03 02:54:57 - [18] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Aaron wrote: I think it's time to get real. A player can take the time to learn about ganking and all the variables that affect it such as hostile fleet size, EHP....and so on. Plain and simple, you will be targeted if you have freight value of over 1 billion. If you keep the value below 1 billion isk then you won't even have to consider all the variables of a gank situation. Form some kind of group where you can contact freight pilots to relay this message. The ones that don't listen or bother to investigate anything will be punished because the mechanics are purposely set that way. This is a clear description of the environment we are in and it has been programmed this way to make us think more about our actions within the game, it prompts us to think things like having an escort to rep our armour for example we can rep until the hostile fleet is concorded. Stop acting as if there are no counters to freight ganking when there blatantly are. This is garbage. It was not programmed this way. When freighters came out you needed at least 30 battleships now you only need 12 stealth bombers. When freighters came out there were no tags, you had to grind sec back which was very time consuming. When freighters came out you couldn't do (at the time battleship damage) with cheap frigates. Bitches will whine that battleships insurance meant using battleships was cheaper but no, even with full insurance you still lost the value of platinum insurance. 30 plat insurances for tier 3 battleships was around the cost of 60 stealth bombers. Then you factor in the massive jump in isk generation today vs then. It was never programmed this way, this is all about mudflation and powercreep turning ganking into the easiest form of PvP with the smallest cost (apart from frig v frig) with the least risk and significant payoff. Its out of wack with the rest of EvE. EvE WoW, EvE Light or whatever. The gankers know this. That's why they gaslight with "ganking keeps getting nerfed" but they pretend they never got the buffs that made is more possible than in the past. They do this deliberately. It's very transparent now. Are the people behind the game so stupid as to keep falling for it? Or are they complicit? I have tried to figure that out - why would an mmo company choose to hobble themselves to a play style that is seen by the wider mmo community as toxic, abusive, full of greifers? My personal experience of being followed by a player for 4 months straight swearing and calling me a pedophile and worse in local without CCP intervening and then that same person getting me warned by CCP for saying F in local caused me to stop my two boys playing. Wasn't just that either, the language and conversations in market hubs and alliance / corp chat is disgusting and sometimes illegal at least here in Aussie. I think it comes down to job insecurity at CCP / the fact that CCP has close RL relationships with many players / a number of CCP employees have worked for or do work for CCP and an entrenched culture of EvE is Harsh while being completely blind as to why EvE has failed to continue growing being that same culture. EVE is known to be very niche and ruthless and harsh That's why people love it... That's why most play it... And that's why CCP sells the game as is, and not like some dumb other mmo lmao HTFU or there's always WOW and HelloKittyOnline hahahah Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1142	Posted - 2017.04.03 09:38:37 - [19] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: This is garbage. It was not programmed this way. When freighters came out you needed at least 30 battleships now you only need 12 stealth bombers. When freighters came out there were no tags, you had to grind sec back which was very time consuming. When freighters came out you couldn't do (at the time battleship damage) with cheap frigates. Bitches will whine that battleships insurance meant using battleships was cheaper but no, even with full insurance you still lost the value of platinum insurance. 30 plat insurances for tier 3 battleships was around the cost of 60 stealth bombers. Then you factor in the massive jump in isk generation today vs then. It was never programmed this way, this is all about mudflation and powercreep turning ganking into the easiest form of PvP with the smallest cost (apart from frig v frig) with the least risk and significant payoff. Its out of wack with the rest of EvE. EvE WoW, EvE Light or whatever. The gankers know this. That's why they gaslight with "ganking keeps getting nerfed" but they pretend they never got the buffs that made is more possible than in the past. They do this deliberately. It's very transparent now. Are the people behind the game so stupid as to keep falling for it? Or are they complicit? I have tried to figure that out - why would an mmo company choose to hobble themselves to a play style that is seen by the wider mmo community as toxic, abusive, full of greifers? My personal experience of being followed by a player for 4 months straight swearing and calling me a pedophile and worse in local without CCP intervening and then that same person getting me warned by CCP for saying F in local caused me to stop my two boys playing. Wasn't just that either, the language and conversations in market hubs and alliance / corp chat is disgusting and sometimes illegal at least here in Aussie. I think it comes down to job insecurity at CCP / the fact that CCP has close RL relationships with many players / a number of CCP employees have worked for or do work for CCP and an entrenched culture of EvE is Harsh while being completely blind as to why EvE has failed to continue growing being that same culture. EVE is known to be very niche and ruthless and harsh That's why people love it... That's why most play it... And that's why CCP sells the game as is, and not like some dumb other mmo lmao HTFU or there's always WOW and HelloKittyOnline hahahah That's a very emotionally defensive response. Its also attempting to obfuscate obvious flaws by claiming those flaws as benefits when quite clearly they are flaws. Do you honestly believe that the perception whether real or imagined that the community of EvE is toxic, abusive and are greifers is beneficial to the health of EvE or CCPs bottom line? Do you honestly believe that CCP places the culture of EvE as a higher priority than profits? Do you honestly believe that Santa Claus is currently in the North Pole with a bunch of Elves making you a full scale model of a Ragnorok. He didn't even receive your letter because you're bad. You're not getting **. The other two are even more certainly false. See Everyone is free to do whatever they want in EVE (ccording to the EULA of course) Some chose to be lions, some chose to be sheep, some to be victims, and some decide to come on the forums to cry about people shooting others in this spaceship pvp game. That's the core of EVE... and it's why EVE is still alive 14 years after it launched. anyway, you'll still try to find some way to call me ****** even tho I'm right, so no point in answering your carebear ass lol Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1142	Posted - 2017.04.03 09:51:49 - [20] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: This is garbage. It was not programmed this way. When freighters came out you needed at least 30 battleships now you only need 12 stealth bombers. When freighters came out there were no tags, you had to grind sec back which was very time consuming. When freighters came out you couldn't do (at the time battleship damage) with cheap frigates. Bitches will whine that battleships insurance meant using battleships was cheaper but no, even with full insurance you still lost the value of platinum insurance. 30 plat insurances for tier 3 battleships was around the cost of 60 stealth bombers. Then you factor in the massive jump in isk generation today vs then. It was never programmed this way, this is all about mudflation and powercreep turning ganking into the easiest form of PvP with the smallest cost (apart from frig v frig) with the least risk and significant payoff. Its out of wack with the rest of EvE. EvE WoW, EvE Light or whatever. The gankers know this. That's why they gaslight with "ganking keeps getting nerfed" but they pretend they never got the buffs that made is more possible than in the past. They do this deliberately. It's very transparent now. Are the people behind the game so stupid as to keep falling for it? Or are they complicit? I have tried to figure that out - why would an mmo company choose to hobble themselves to a play style that is seen by the wider mmo community as toxic, abusive, full of greifers? My personal experience of being followed by a player for 4 months straight swearing and calling me a pedophile and worse in local without CCP intervening and then that same person getting me warned by CCP for saying F in local caused me to stop my two boys playing. Wasn't just that either, the language and conversations in market hubs and alliance / corp chat is disgusting and sometimes illegal at least here in Aussie. I think it comes down to job insecurity at CCP / the fact that CCP has close RL relationships with many players / a number of CCP employees have worked for or do work for CCP and an entrenched culture of EvE is Harsh while being completely blind as to why EvE has failed to continue growing being that same culture. EVE is known to be very niche and ruthless and harsh That's why people love it... That's why most play it... And that's why CCP sells the game as is, and not like some dumb other mmo lmao HTFU or there's always WOW and HelloKittyOnline hahahah yes very harsh for "criminals" to have every gate and station open to them where they can have a no-aggression warp disruption via an alt done for them while they wait for their timer to expire. Harsh for your food. Not you. Stop pretending (unless that's the only thing keeping up your self esteem and keeping you from hating yourself) lorewise, capsuleers are gods that only submit to Concord. Empire citizens make up the crew of our ships so Empires give us rights to dock wherever :) And even if we were blocked access, we would still use citadels hahahah Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist

Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1145	Posted - 2017.04.03 12:34:30 - [21] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: baltec1 wrote: The people that pvp are not the ones the have and still do demand the removal of other people's gameplay and content. That's your opinion man, I say that at times the gameplay / content I want IS removed by gankers. Whenever someone says "I just want to be left in peace" is an example of their content being removed by someone else. It's all viewpoints. Have you ever played in a sandbox somewhere irl? You can have your own personal objective, but so does the others And if the others want to break your little sandcastle, you simply have to fight back instead of crying lol Same applies here... You want to be safe, you have to actively work towards that... Because no one else will do it for you Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1145	Posted - 2017.04.03 13:12:43 - [22] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mr Mieyli wrote: baltec1 wrote: The people that pvp are not the ones the have and still do demand the removal of other people's gameplay and content. That's your opinion man, I say that at times the gameplay / content I want IS removed by gankers. Whenever someone says "I just want to be left in peace" is an example of their content being removed by someone else. It's all viewpoints. There is a very real difference between you choosing to not do something because you fear other players and people not being able to do something because the mechanics were changed to make it impossible. What on earth are you talking about? If I am travelling, missioning, mining, whatever, and get ganked explain to me how I am afraid? Is it not that the mechanics made it impossible for me to achieve my goal? You will say, no it's players, I will say it's players enabled by mechanics. Highsec players with no intent to pvp are victimised by eves mechanics. You missed the point on EVE then... All its mechanics revolve around pvp Consensual or not Fair or not It's up to each individual player to be conscious they agree to pvp once they log into the game Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1149	Posted - 2017.04.03 14:38:07 - [23] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Chris Ishar wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: What freaking planet if this guy from? Earth. Confirmation that Earth is screwed then. There is no consensual only pvp zone in EVE. That is why people are on here complaining. If CCP wanted consensual only pvp, WHY do they let you shoot at people in high sec? Why not just make guns shut off or not shoot real players in high sec? Confirming that the Earth is screwed and that the only zone in EVE is the Surprise Buttsecks zone :D Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1150	Posted - 2017.04.03 15:30:08 - [24] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: I started in 2003 I find that amusing, I find you amusing. I checked your killboard and find it amusing. Thank you. Lol I find both of these statements hilarious Since when does a killboard represent a player? Everyone but a few has alts, so yeah.. kb isn't worth **** if you don't know what you're looking at XD The fact that a player as old as you (I even doubt you're the original owner) resorts to that retort only points out how bad you are at arguments and forum pvp Thank Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1150	Posted - 2017.04.03 17:16:35 - [25] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Mr Mieyli wrote: baltec1 wrote: The people that pvp are not the ones the have and still do demand the removal of other people's gameplay and content. That's your opinion man, I say that at times the gameplay / content I want IS removed by gankers. Whenever someone says "I just want to be left in peace" is an example of their content being removed by someone else. It's all viewpoints. Have you ever played in a sandbox somewhere irl? You can have your own personal objective, but so does the others And if the others want to break your little sandcastle, you simply have to fight back instead of crying lol Same applies here... You want to be safe, you have to actively work towards that... Because no one else will do it for you The thing your ilk fails to understand is that when a sandbox becomes a litterbox nobody will play in it. The community was never so toxic. The sandbox was about sand, not about bonking smaller kids over the head with the pail and shovel and then pointing and laughing. Who wants to voluntarily log into that? (people who lack agency and feel they "need" to I guess - they probably conduct their sorry lives outside the game like that too). Oh yes I am like that irl I also run over people in streets, steal cars, cut heads, shout at dragons, Fly WW2 planes, drive tanks, assassinate Cartel people You think that what we are ingame is what we are irl... you couldn't be more wrong hahahah Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1150	Posted - 2017.04.04 10:00:36 - [26] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Dracvlad wrote: anyone with a brain will see that with the cost of such a gank as compared to the reward that the risk reward is way out of kilter. risk/reward is a metric to balance NPC loot drop tables and ore in the belts and not player interaction. The reward is based on what the players loads into his freighter, how would any game mechanic change ever "fix" that? Players are the risk in Eve, don't forget that, oh but you do, only when it suits you... By the way you can have the last word, as I am going to do some risk reward in null sec o7 and calm down ganker... EDIT some dumb idiot seems to be ignoring mechanics and its impact, not a surprise there, bumping is a mechanic mate, don't forget that. And while I am at it VNI's rock I simply pointed out an error in your argument, which is by the way very obvious and the very reason why CCP can't balance risk/reward in freighter ganking. Your childish answer makes me think you are once again out of arguments. It's also very hilarious how you point out that the risk is supposed to be the player when all carebears do in this very thread is to call for more "NPC risks" for the gankers. Your post is so stupid and full of contradictions, hisec as such is supposed to be a low risk low reward area, PVE and PVP all all part of that equation after all they would not be applying CONCORD if that was not the case. So call names all you want, I am enjoying your many contradictions and those of your supporters, they are quite frankly hilarious. And don't forget princess that your bumper is protected by NPC's, it seems you need reminding of that fact. I have to say watching a ganker aligned player cry 182,580 EHP is too tough without bumping says it all..., well back to PL then! EDIT: Just killed a PL Panther in a Thrasher, fun fun fun. 1-Dumb people make highsec a low risk/high reward area 2-bumpers can get ganked too 3-pretty sure you're as relevant to PL as you are to this thread Gf Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 11:31:40 - [27] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: 1-Dumb people make highsec a low risk/high reward area 2-bumpers can get ganked too 3-pretty sure you're as relevant to PL as you are to this thread Gf Add to that a Gila and a Bhal, was a GF in Thrashers, having fun mate. What is the loot benefit that you get from a bumper which requires 3 Talos to be sure of, as compared to a freighter. Are you calling freighter gankers dumb? No I'm calling people that don't want to fight back and then come on the forums to make threads like these dumb Gf Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 11:38:29 - [28] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Dracvlad wrote: What is the loot benefit that you get from a bumper which requires 3 Talos to be sure of, as compared to a freighter. And now you are complaining that you don't get enough reward for ganking? So you suggest that the low skilled characters of a low reward area of space can afford that, dang your are being stupid... I suggest you learn what people mean when they talk about risk/reward and don't confuse it when people talk about player pirating each other. Tell me, has the fact that the Freighter is more attractive to gank than the bumper to do with the CONCORD game mechanics which are the same for all ships or with the fact that one of them made himself a target by transporting too much valuables? What makes an area high risk? Are you seriously telling me that null sec is high risk because of NPC BS or dreads, seriously man you have no idea, no idea at all, no wonder you stay in hisec ganking defenceless ships. Loot means something to you which is why you lot whined over the freighter wreck EHP, isn't that right... The wreck ehp was demanded by nullsec entities so they could loot caps and supers... And to be honest, it was not logical for a 10m ehp ship to have a 100hp wreck hahahah Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 11:55:41 - [29] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: 1-Dumb people make highsec a low risk/high reward area 2-bumpers can get ganked too 3-pretty sure you're as relevant to PL as you are to this thread Gf Add to that a Gila and a Bhal, was a GF in Thrashers, having fun mate. What is the loot benefit that you get from a bumper which requires 3 Talos to be sure of, as compared to a freighter. Are you calling freighter gankers dumb? No I'm calling people that don't want to fight back and then come on the forums to make threads like these dumb Gf Except that I fight and blow things up? See, this is why no one likes you in these threads You keep on avoiding any statement we make instead of having the balls to admit we were right.. It's not that hard to do tbh Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 12:01:49 - [30] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: The wreck ehp was demanded by nullsec entities so they could loot caps and supers... And to be honest, it was not logical for a 10m ehp ship to have a 100hp wreck hahahah Dom, the wreck EHP was logical, that is not the issue, the simple issue was that is was the speed that it got changed when AG started ganking freighter wrecks and more importantly who pushed it to CCP. It destroyed emergent gameplay, gameplay which CCP seemed to be totally unaware of, but most of all it was the AG players being in the same boat as the gankers and taht gankers failed badly, I was on comms with Loyal and that was so funny, he raged hard, sounded like an enraged miner on heat. It killed content for Rham and like 7 guys in null Not a big loss imo, especially if you don't get anything from it Remind me, who cried so hard that Hyperdunking got nuked in about 2 weeks? Thought so ;) Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist

Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 12:12:10 - [31] - Quote Tell me How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday.. That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 12:28:14 - [32] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Tell me How many nerfs has AG had in the past years? I want to see that exhaustive AG Nerf list You sure as hell seem to forget that ganking has, despite all appearances, being nerfed in many more ways than the opposite... yet, you don't see any "ganking needs a buff" threads pop out everyday.. That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over They cry to CCP on things that matter like wreck EHP... and they get things changed for their advantage, lol. Get me that long list of AG nerfs Come on now Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 12:29:27 - [33] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over The threadnaughts over things like the insurance nerf and various other ganking nerfs would like to disagree, Mr selsctive memory. Here's the thing about this game. Everyone cries when it's them that's being affected. EVERY LAST ONE OF US! Mr Epeen Oh sorry if I wasn't playing at the time Nice try tho Gf Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 12:44:34 - [34] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: That's what makes gankers better players... they adapt instead of taking to the forums and crying over and over The threadnaughts over things like the insurance nerf and various other ganking nerfs would like to disagree, Mr selsctive memory. Here's the thing about this game. Everyone cries when it's them that's being affected. EVERY LAST ONE OF US! Mr Epeen Oh sorry if I wasn't playing at the time Nice try tho Gf Careful, now. You can hurt yourself shifting those heavy goalposts. Mr Epeen Like you or I cared Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 14:15:57 - [35] - Quote Still waiting for that list of AG nerfs Drac Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 15:39:38 - [36] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Still waiting for that list of AG nerfs Drac Dom why have you decided that I have to supply you with a list of nerfs? Because ai know you can't fulfill that task I'm out Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1151	Posted - 2017.04.04 15:53:07 - [37] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Still waiting for that list of AG nerfs Drac Dom why have you decided that I have to supply you with a list of nerfs? Because ai know you can't fulfill that task I'm out I have in other threads listed all the nerfs and buffs and change in policy, I had an excahnge with Shae on this where I pointed out that a count and saying the number of adjustments matter more than what was adjusted was stupid, which happens to be one of the most liked comments I have done. Do you want to go down that route, I rather like you, but seriously mate I am not going to give that list unless I want to make a point about game balance in terms of ganking to people who are open to debate rather than call names and stuff, or make one liners and stuff like that. I much prefer making dank ISK and am only replying while I salvage... Troll on then Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1153	Posted - 2017.04.04 17:38:38 - [38] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: 1-Dumb people make highsec a low risk/high reward area There you go a wonderful and concise summary as to why every whine about GÇ£the risk vs. reward of freighter ganking is brokenGÇ¥ is absolutely wrong. The problem isnGÇÖt the mechanics. The problem is not the gankers, they are just responding to incentives that the imprudent and foolish are providing. It's cyclic. It's also polarized. It's always going to be one or the other crying. Right now, it's the gankees that are angry, but there has certainly been months straight of threads filled with rage and promises to quit from the gankers. So I'm going to have to disagree with you. It's only about the mechanics. Every time they get tweaked, one side or the other has an advantage and the ones on the wrong side flood the forum with tears. Oddly enough they all use exactly the same arguments when it's their turn on the bottom. And I must say, as a player unaffected in any way by high sec ganking, it has been a never ending source of amusement watching this over the years. Mr Epeen Mechanics by themselves don't do jack.. You need people to use/not use them No people means nothing happening regardless of mechanics Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist
Dom Arkaral The Conference Elite CODE. 1155	Posted - 2017.04.05 15:14:45 - [39] - Quote This went from "Grr gankers you make people leave the game" to "ayy lmao let's talk about weed" Time to lock it as everything else is the usual talk and it only goes in circles hahaha Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome CCL Loyalist

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